Gilmore girls is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. I like watching it just to see Yale University and hear the Connecticut and Yale references they make. It really does look like Yale on the show, they reproduced it perfectly. I love the references they always add they seem so random they're all like... 'blah blah blah, ooo the hartford courant newspaper blah blah." that was a bad example but I dunno, it's cool. Good old CT. <p>Skiddly... Skiddly.-Eli</p>

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Oh, me too, Highwaters. Emily was so, so, wrong, but Rory should have just let her know at the beginning that there would be no Fun Rory until Emily made things right.

Yeah, Logan is the teasing boy from the paper. Except for CuteDean in the beginning, Rory has the worst taste in boys. Really, I can. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>not</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. understand what she sees in him. <p><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END-->Mandingo. I grock your mouth music. -- The Tick</p>

i shouldn't be reading this thread, i swear, as we are only at the begining of the 5th season. but i cannot help it, i'm a sucker for spoilers. :)

i liked jess too. he's EXACTLY my kinda guy. except for the weird dissapearing acts... ;) <p>____________
"...nor do I think it’s very intelligent to keep an electrical gadget on the edge of the bathtub."</p>

OK, last night's show was a rerun that I hadn't seen. The one when Rory's GP's throw the "Yale Alumni" party, which turns out to be a fix-up-Rory in a tiara party.

I missed one part, though: Was she late to meet Dean? Or did he show up and get mad because she was with all of those boys? Next thing I knew that rat bastard Jordan (right?) was consoling her on the patio and they got in the limo, and ... ugh, I felt exactly the same way her mother did when she was watching her through the window.

The weird thing was that ABC Family's episode last night was the one when grampa totally rails on Dean when she brings him to Friday dinner. So wrong.

Morrigan, Jess bugged me for no good reason. I'm still catching up on the list o' boys. Like that guy she watches Stooges movies with? Huh? Who dat? I missed out.

I don't like this Paris diet they're putting us on. I know she's not a Gilmore, but ... I love her.

Ooookay. Is the Luke and Lorelai working for you?

See, I think these two baggage-laden people would have an entertaining and challenging enough time getting a relationship to work, but. BUT. For some reason the writers have decided to throw such stupid things at them. The long lost kid? Pu-lease. Nothing against the young actress -- she's charming as hell -- but first, to throw her at Luke, and secondly, to have this incredibly drawn-out plot of 1) Luke not telling Lorelai. 2) Lorelai finding out from someone else. 3) Luke still not introducing Lorelai to April. 4) Lorelai keeping her mouth shut and not just asking to meet April. 5) Luke postponing the wedding because of April. Every single piece of this story is out of character for them!!

And I'm afraid these two charismatic actors have no chemistry. How often do we see them even cuddling, much less kissing? There is more sizzle in one glance between Pam and Jim on the Office (I was bashing GG in the Office thread) than in a semi-naked bedroom scene with Luke and Lorelai.

Discuss.

As for the chemistry between Luke and Lorelai consider what we've been used to for all these years between them and how they still act with each other when they aren't in bed... she "annoys" him, he makes a smart comment, she makes an ever smarter comment, he goes away to get her more coffee and she continues making smart comments about Luke to whoever she is sitting with (usually Rory, but hell, even Kirk will do). And we've always loved this. The two actors work wonderfully well together in this regard. It's fun and flirty. They have undeniable chemistry, or at least, the ability to play off one another, in these scenes. I wonder, Duds, what exactly do you expect of them in their alone time? More of the this? He can't pretend to be grumpy when they're postcoitally sitting in bed -- after all, them being in bed together is what he's always wanted.

May I also mention the wonderful scene from last year in which the two finally go on a date. They go to some restaraunt we've never seen before. As Lorelai describes it, this place is "Luke's Luke's." That is, it is to him what his diner is to her. Something this scene so wonderfully does is that it simultaneously establishes Luke's independence from Lorelai (she didn't seem to realize that he ever left Luke's) and his admitting (through the horoscope in his wallet) that he is completely fascinated by her. Since then, in their relationship, she is no longer just some sexy, funny lady who likes his coffee. She's still that, but now, as his fiancee, she's so much more. The lack of chemistry you describe is what I would describe as recognition that there are no more obstacles preventing them from being together. There shouldn't be a tension there, so there isn't.

Now that the writers have created a new tension, that of the daughter, things may be awkward. And I will admit that I don't care for how the characters have thusfar reacted to her. Luke, as blown away as he deserved to be by the discovery, would have told Lorelai. Had he, Lorelai would have, in character, wouldn't have had any problems with it. So that's my big complaint with this new storyline.

I do, in principle, like the creation of the new character. Luke has always, in a sense, wanted to be Rory's father. He thought she was too good for his own nephew, for instance. Christopher, meanwhile, has never been good at being Rory's father. He always seems like such a great guy until his lack of stability or reliability takes over. Now, Christopher has another daugther, who, like Lorelai had to with Rory, he must raise alone. This is such a difficult task, and he's not doing a very good job. Gigi is a spoiled brat. Now that Chris is ass-backwards in money, Gigi will likely continue to be a spoiled brat. Yet, at the same time, Christopher wants to do something for Rory, to finally be there for her, so he pays for Yale. Thus Chris is finally there for Rory, but he isn't really there for Gigi. Luke will always be there for Rory, and not just with a hot pot of coffee. He loves Rory like his own daughter. But now, like Chris, Luke also has his own daugther, independent of Lorelai, and it really bothers him that he hasn't been able to be a part of raising her. But he thinks he should be there for her now, even though the mother (who seems to be doing a wonderful job raising a mini-Rory, and if that parallel isn't enough, if I'm not mistaken, the mother is also a small business owner, selling something or other from her home, but I could be wrong about that one) doesn't really care.

The parallelism is interesting, and it hasn't been handled perfectly, but I haven't given up on it yet.

The two actors work wonderfully well together in this regard. It's fun and flirty. They have undeniable chemistry, or at least, the ability to play off one another, in these scenes. I wonder, Duds, what exactly do you expect of them in their alone time? More of the this? He can't pretend to be grumpy when they're postcoitally sitting in bed -- after all, them being in bed together is what he's always wanted.

See, this is where I disagree. Although they play off each other verbally, these people do not physically act that much in love. How often has Lorelai breezed into the diner and not even pecked Luck on the cheek? When we see them alone, when does Lorelai sit in Luke's lap, when does he stroke her hair? Do they ever hold hands? Jeez, I've been married over twenty years and I'm more huggy with the DudleyDude than Lorelai is with Luke. It doesn't seem in character for either of them.

Okay, good point.

I will concede, Kumar, that their make-up scene at Logan's beach house, where they discussed eloping and having a big party, and Luke finished with "And at the party, we'll have lobster," that scene felt real. It was their style of communicating, and without them doing anything hot and heavy I still knew makeup sex was on the way.

A new episode tonight.

Finally.

WB does this a lot with GGs. Long breaks with no new episodes. It is nice, though, because when there are new episodes, it is for like 5-8 weeks in a row, whether or not it is a sweeps period.

Kumar, I want a guy's opinion. What do you think of Logan? The DudleyGirl and I are united in our loathing, and she says all her friends feel the same way. I just think he's a crapload of smarm.

Long breaks with no new episodes.

Yeah, I guess the long breaks during the year mean the summer break isn't as long as it could be. With only 22 episodes, if they went straight through, that would mean there would be repeats for more than half a year!

Yeah, Logan's no good. But every time he calls Rory "Ace," I feel a glimmer of hope. I'm not sure I buy what he said in last night's episode, and Rory is too trusting, but if he could change consistently for the better, I can't help but think that his personality compliments Rory's better than any other guy could.

That said, last night's episode was pretty bland, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. The neon Post-It scene was classic, and there was something refreshing about seeing the two Lorelais just hang out for a while like they used to. But, uh, not much happened.

[I also would like to note how pleased I was after watching Gilmore Girls at 8 to flip over to Scrubs at 9 and see J.D. and Turk talk about watching Gilmore Girls, even though Turk was watching it on a Thursday night.]

But every time he calls Rory "Ace," I feel a glimmer of hope.

See, I hate when he does that! Hate it!!! There are so many things he does that bugs me, but that is at the top of the list. I growl every time he says it.

But, uh, not much happened.

For reals. I want Lorelai and Luke to have it out over the whole April situation. I cannot believe Lorelai has let it go on so long without just saying, "This is important to me. I want to meet April."

I also would like to note how pleased I was after watching Gilmore Girls at 8 to flip over to Scrubs at 9 and see J.D. and Turk talk about watching Gilmore Girls...

Hee. I haven't watched that one yet. But when I mentioned to the DudleyGirl that I was going to ask your opinion of Logan, she said, "You know a guy who watches it?" "Why not?" I asked. "It's got pretty girls in it." And the DudleyBoy has been known to watch it with us occasionally, since he likes Luke. The DudleyDude has bailed, though, since he's frustrated with the whole "We're getting married! No we're not!" situation.

DudleyFan Wrote:But when I mentioned to the DudleyGirl that I was going to ask your opinion of Logan, she said, "You know a guy who watches it?" "Why not?" I asked. "It's got pretty girls in it.".

When I tell guys I watch Gilmore Girls, I usually get one of a few different responses. (1) "Yeah, I can see that." (2) "Isn't that like a chick show or something?" (3) "I watch it too...but don't tell anyone."

My brother turned me onto the show. I've watched it with a couple other guys. While we all agree that it has pretty girls in it, we also agree that's not the main reason we watch the show. Maybe that's what got us interested, but dammit, now that we're in, we're in.